From a Special Correspondent
It was a shameful display of foreign corporate arrogance and intimidation.
Peter Jolly threatened 'big trouble' if the photos appeared in the media
Highlands Pacific’s General Manager, Peter Jolly, glaring down from his 1.80-something-meter frame and demanding that a young Papua New Guinean woman stop taking photographs of Chinese and Australian mining executives outside the national court house in Madang.
In an almost comical scene, Jolly closed in on the young lady photographer – and in a futile attempt to use his otherwise intimidating height – told her she was not allowed to take pictures and she would be in “big trouble” if the photos appeared in the media.
But on that day Jolly wasn’t the intended subject of attention. In fact the photographers and journalists present didn’t even care that Peter Jolly, the Highlands Pacific top shot was in attendance. The camera lenses was in fact seeking out Dr. James Wang, Ramu NiCo’s Chief technical adviser who was cross examined in court that day. It makes one wonder whether Peter Jolly felt he was being left out and needed to draw some attention to himself.
Well, he got the attention he wanted. The photographer didn’t back down. Armed with the camera, she pursued Jolly who fled into a waiting van which took him to the safety of his hotel room.
The next day (Wednesday, February 23), Peter Jolly was at it again. This time with a bit more creativity. In hushed tones and careful not to draw attention, he tried to convince the court sheriff that is was “illegal” for the same young lady photographer to take pictures outside the courtroom. He seemed to have forgotten that Papua New Guinea’s court rules were adopted from the Australian Justice system. Those who were there, made sure Peter Jolly was reminded of that.
Just a word of advice Pete… live up to your name, for goodness sake. Be JOLLY!
Papua New Guinea Mine Watch 
only goes to show they (mcc & hpl) have something to hide, aren’t they?
sorry jolly, PNG has changed and we are not intimidated anymore by “white man”. you are dealing with young and better informed Papua New Guineans and i promise you this is not the end.
we are not scared of anyone anymore. we only fear the truth and nothing will stand in its way. good try, though..ha ha ha ha
yes , they are raping your country , here are the new big men ?
What is the law required? Can a photographer use people’s picture in Media without permits?
yes Zhushaoshi
we have a free press in this country, which i understand is not the case in china, and the media is free to publish articles, including images, that are of public interest. the public is then expected to draw their own conclusions about what is presented to them. i don’t need to lecture you on this. simply ask your friend jolly who knows this like the back of his palm.
welcome to PNG mate!
Zhushaoshi,
PERMITS! Welcome to PNG!
I would be interested in hearing an unbiased account of these events but wait…what am I thinking…this is the anti-mining blog!
good luck bill! but one correction – no it’s not anti-mining, it’s anti-bullying.
Fair enough Fed Up.
I am totally against bullying but also against the lies and other crap that is spread on sites like this.
Guess its entertainment but for some but for those of us who’ve been involved in the PNG mining industry and would like to see companies act responsibly we’d also like to see sites that present an unbiased view.
point taken bill. but how do you define ‘lies’? we the people of PNG have seen enough lies to believe anything coming out of miners. the country hosts some of the largest mines in the region but with nothing to show for. i guess that is a good governance issue on our part.
but the main concern we have stems from the environmental impact of mining activities and the flow on social impact on our communities. you will understand our concerns better if you know how landownership and kinship works in our country. because of how we live our lives, push over tactics will prove disastrous for our people if not resisted. sometimes you really have to be Papua New Guinean to understand our concerns.
sorry but that is our reality. take it or leave it.
ask your village , or maybe bill , you belong to a community
Yes, its about time reality took over from lies. Let the real Basamuk landowners define ‘lies and liars’ for us all. I totally agree.
Principal plaintiff not landowner
Source:
The National – Thursday, February 24, 2011
“LOUIS Medaing, the principal plaintiff in the ongoing deep sea tailings placement (DSTP) system court hearing in Madang, is not from the Tong clan in the Basamuk area, according to principal landowners in court yesterday.
The landowners, who gave evidence on behalf of Ramu NiCo Management (MCC) Ltd, told the court that Medaing came from Mebu in the inland of Rai Coast, many kilometres away from the company’s Basamuk nickel refinery site.
Medaing claimed that he was from the Tong clan and was given the authority to represent the clan, including Sawang families that make up the Ongeg clan in the Basamuk area.
He was one of 10 plaintiffs.
The landowners informed the court that Medaing and his family migrated from Mebu to Basamuk and he was not originally from the Ongeg clan and he was not even given the authority to represent them in court.
The court was further informed that because of Medaing’s education, the Tong clan only authorised him to deal with the land dispute concerning portions 109 and 110 where the refinery is situated and did not authorise him to take MCC to court over the DSTP issue.
Dubam Awan, a Village Court magistrate from the Tong clan in the Basamuk area, further confirmed in his sworn affidavit that Medaing was not from the Tong clan, instead migrated from Mebu.
Another witness Boge William, son of the Ongeg clan chief, told the court that Medaing was not given the authority to represent the Sawang families that made up the Ongeg clan.
Awan, Bugi William and Gabin Asuk also told the court that they had attended all the awareness on the DSTP conducted by the state since 1999 and were satisfied that there would be no impact to human and marine lives.
All witnesses withstood vigorous cross examinations by the plaintiffs’ lawyer, Tiffany Nonggorr, and told the court that there was no reason to fear the tailings would affect human and marine life based on what the state and Ramu NiCo had told them during the awareness conducted to date.
The case continues with more witnesses to be called in.”
At least someone has the guts to stand up and to tell a large foreign company that pumping millions of tons of tailings into the sea will kill people. Maybe, the people affected have their own issues with landownership. But you can’t deny that it would be very convenient for the miner to have unwelcome attention drawn away from the real issue which is the dumping of tailings and it’s effects of people. If the government was serious about resolving this dispute, it would fast track the process of sorting out who the real landowners are.
Gotta laugh that someone really bought the bullshit in the National. Didn’t know any thinking person ever bought the National line. BTW everything in that article was bullshit. I was in the courtroom mate. NOT ONE THING in that article is true. They couldn’t even cover it up good ending the piece of propaganda saying the case continues with more witnesses to be called in. AH SORRY Fox news no more witnesses. The last were yesterday. One thing to push propaganda. Quite another to be that stupid. Go PNG Mine Watch! What a breath of fresh air.
got what James Serenti said jkross? stop buying shit.
Either the national is lying here…and they should be sued for it or its damage control on the brainwashing and misreporting that goes on around here… pick your poison folks!
The dreaded moment has arrived…not all landowners buy the doomsday nonsense. Biased reporting and lies have a lifespan allowable only by the truth.
“Another witness Boge William, son of the Ongeg clan chief, told the court that Medaing was not given the authority to represent the Sawang families that made up the Ongeg clan.
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“Awan, Bugi William and Gabin Asuk also told the court that they had attended all the awareness on the DSTP conducted by the state since 1999 and were satisfied that there would be no impact to human and marine lives.
All witnesses withstood vigorous cross examinations by the plaintiffs’ lawyer, Tiffany Nonggorr, and told the court that there was no reason to fear the tailings would affect human and marine life…”
J Kloss, It seems Medaing megrate to the coast area just for stop the mining project. Can you unveil the real indentity of Mediang?
good luck to the Ongeg clan…
Zhushaoshi, the issue at hand is not about who the plaintiff might be. rather it is about a particular mine waste management system.
someone from say Long Island or Bagbag would have a legimiate concern, even if they were not from Basamuk, on the basis that the mine waste could potentially damage the common marine life which supports all of their various communities along the coastline.
so my friend, whether or not a plaintiff actually originates from Basamuk or the immediate locality is irrelevant to some extent.
It looks more like someone from say Long Island or Bagbag would land in the Modilon haus sik over intense environmental hysteria, delusion and halucination and may I add a heart attack (when Basamuk landowners disown plaintiff posterboy Louis Medaing) even before the first fish swam away from encroaching tailings MUD at Basamuk as they’ve done for thousands of years. It super comedy at no cost here…and I’m loving it!
Confusing…James Serenti said the true Basamuk landowners were never in court, it’s all BS. Fed Up wishes them good luck…inferring that they were in court. Who should we believe? Someone truly is carrying a big bag of BS as James Serenti mentions the word twice to push his point. If Fed Up is right, the bag is with Serenti. The Ongeg clan was in court. Giaman exposed.
hey jkross stop confusing yourself – i wished the Ongeg clan good luck on the basis that they have now seemingly reneged on their earlier stance against dstp – that’s all.
the inferences you’ve made are misleading and is totally out of context. good try!
You’ve missed everything. Its all about telling the truth. Your own statement establishes the facts reported in the National where earlier on (above) you fully supported Serenti’s crap. You are the confused one. Either he was asleep in court or he stuck his fingers in his ears when the real landowners gave evidence, thrashing your hero. It speaks a lot about you lot lying to mislead readers here. People are following the story line. You’ve been exposed!!
jkross you are confusing yourself and everyone on this thread so cut the crap. you don’t have a single clue about what the plaintiffs are fighting – not a single clue!
What Clue? This is not about what the plaintiffs are fighting for. It’s about lying and misleading people and you along with James Serenti have proven that in this thread. First saying that the national article was all lies. Then you agreed to its contents admitting that they switched sides and disowned Medaing as reported. Its that sort of crap that I am exposing.
Caught out – Fed up!! You want more rope?
First and foremost:
The fact is a papua new guinean woman stood up to a white man who is obviously from the ‘yesa masta’ era and put him in his place. if you have an issue with that, you should reconsider your approach to young papua new guineans because it looks like a new breed who will not take any bullshit from anyone is here TO STAY.
to set the record straight, I was at the court house when the three witnesses took the stand on behalf of the company. they all initailly claimed Louie Medaing was not their rep but then confirmed that he was infact mandated by the clan to represent them on a land dispute case. and it was clarified that Louie was not representing all of the tong and ongeg clan but only some who have given him signed authorities.
“Another witness Boge William, son of the Ongeg clan chief,” this Boge person admitted that him and his family were actually chased out of the Ongeg clan. he also admittd that his father is not a clan chief, but a sorcerer who was blamed for the death of the clan leader and is now in exile somewhere in madang.
“Awan, Bugi William and Gabin Asuk also told the court that they had attended all the awareness on the DSTP conducted by the state since 1999 and were satisfied that there would be no impact to human and marine lives.
All witnesses withstood vigorous cross examinations by the plaintiffs’ lawyer, Tiffany Nonggorr, and told the court that there was no reason to fear the tailings would affect human and marine life…”
this statement goes against what the Department of environment and conservation (which Boge and his gang came to assist) has been saying all along, that yes! there WILL be SOME impact on the environment. Its the EXTENT of this environmental impact that is yet to be confirmed.
and i sadly note that they DID NOT withstand the cross examination. they actually cracked and owed up to louies status in the community and one of them actually said he doesnt know what an MOA was which he himself was supposed to have written in his affidavit. when asked what it was he said an moa was an mou and finally an mou was land owner assciation. it is truly sad to note that companies use the divide and conquer method to play with our people. when i witnessed what happened to these three men, i felt real pity for them. if papua new guineans are going to take a stand, make sure you do it with integrity.
Actually, we only need the true status of the case. Some one misleading the readers like me.
I am pretty sure this mining project is better for the PNG(economy) and ITS people(employment and skills trained) and the deep sea tailing system is the best solution for the project.
I just wonder why there are plaintiff want to stop the project and what is their real interest(hided). The real landowner benefits from the project also.
lived in png most of my life , never met a villager with the name of Zhushaoshi , what village are you from ?
Frankly, I am from China. Just let me tell you some story 20 or 30 years ago. At that time, China to start open the door to the outside, foreign company and their investment cames to China, many many young people prefered to work for those western company including me,because they can get jobs, good wages or salaries, build up their experience. And as a result, you see, chinses economy bloomed up in later 30 years. Also, companies like mcc grew up.
Zhushaoshi,
The Chinese had to go and work for foreign companies because your people didn’t own any land at all. Your government owns all the land. Your people had no choice but to work for wages. In Papua New Guinea, things are different. People depend on the land. We prefer to look after our oceans so that the fish flourish and the people continue to live off the land. What works in China won’t always work for Papua New Guineans. You talk about large scale development as if it is the ONLY solution. I can tell you that it has failed people in other countries including your own. Your rivers are polluted, your rice is contaminated with heavy metals and your people are dying. Yet you continue to push the dagger deeper into your belly. After raping your land, rivers and seas, you come to my country and demand our minerals? and you want to sacrifice my people to sustain your economy and your lifestyle? Go back to China, Zhushaoshi. You and your kind are pests!
I was once a village boy but I don’t want to live in caves (to save the environment for the GAIA religious nonsense, and please the dinosaur anthropoligists), spearing fish and going naked for foreign cameras or doing the tumbuna ritual for loose change. Sorry, that’s not me. All nationalities are welcome to PNG, even as they may allow me into their country. This is Century 21. Welcome to Planet Earth. China is a big boy in the global scene and we want to engage them in meaningful dialogue and business. Demonising this economic giant over this DSTP debate is short-sighted and unproductive. Wake up and see the big picture. Zhushaoshi, you are welcome in PNG. And so is anyone from any country, so long as you have good intentions and respect our laws, long term or short term, you’re all most welcome.
Just want to point you out to the quoted news article.
Key phrase being: “based on what the state and Ramu NiCo had told them”
Seems these LO’s got a good dose of “unbiased account” alright, eh Bill? 🙂
I see you guys have your astroturfing technique down pat.
PNG people can have balanced development but chose to swallow the environment propaganda and short-change themselves. It’s been over 40 years since we obtained independence and all we’ve done is complain whinge, protest, weep and run to courts because we cannot change situations into opportunities. To be honest, I’d rather sacrifice a few reef patches if it meant 24 hr electricity supply to my village provided by developers. I’d be sick to my bones of forever living in darkness from dusk to dawn for the rest of my life. People must not be denied electricity and an upgrade in life if the project will bring it to them!
I’ve been associated with the mining industry and learned of all the effort and hard work that goes on into building a mine. Its not as easy as hanging around courthouses, ambushing people, pulling out a camera and snapping away. The developer submits the environmental plan BEFORE building the mine and it is then that people need to stop the project if they think it is harmful. The developers have every right to be frustrated on that basis. Young PNGeans think the’re smart protesting, and stopping projects, women, men it matters not. Don’t ever think we’re clever. We’ve never built anything yet. Snapping away and protesting is not progress. No way near.
If you guys think mining is wrong, show us the way, move PNG in a new direction, and provide some leadership. Dont just protest, protest, take photos, write junk news and count that as ‘young PNGeans getting smart’. It counts for nothing on the economic scale!
Jkross,
just go home. This country belongs to young
Papua New Guineans. Don’t you have a country
to go to?
In Chian, Lands in cities are owned by the government, And lands in rural area are owned by farmer groups or communities. We have to go and work for the wages or salaries if your a people in city. For the people in rural area, they can live on the lands, rivers etc.
Also, we met some serious problems while our economy grew up including polluted rivers and lands. Now people are thinking about how to balance the development and the enviroment protection also. We are building harmonius society including the enviorment/development; Justice/effenciency etc
i am sick of all these lies from jkross and his chinese friend zhushaoshi. take your crap and go preach it elsewhere. we know better and won’t buy bullshit from anyone anymore.
hey village boy jkross, inap yu tokim mipla wonem kain gutpla senis ol kain mining kampani olsem ok tedi, panguna, porgera na lihir i kisim ikam pinis long ol pipol? “balanced development” my ass!
It’s the mining and petroleum industry that keeps the courts functioning where you can run and weep. You cannot run this nation on the back of tourism or anything else right now. Yes, balance development is on your side. I did my part. What have you done except, protest, protest and and protest.
i am actively doing my part – actually, have always been doing it but have been let down by the system you now fight so valiantly to defend. one wonders why. the courts are not a place for me to go and cry. rather, they are there to ensure justice prevails in the society. and if you think we are crying to the courts, grow up baby!
by the way, you do NOT present any facts at all. if you think cuting and pasting some crap from mainstream media on this thread is fact, then i feel sorry for you. you will always be misled.
the whole nickel mine has been shrouded with secrecy and bull since day one and this is beginning to come out now. long live the courts and long live the people of PNG!
‘Crap and BS’ is all you could muster. Is that a rational response? Dont tell me the dog ate your homework. A sizeable cross section of educated people are reading this and I know I have good opponents to the debate. Not you. You resort to crap and bull. I enjoy responding to you because you always wrap yourself up in BS and crap. The facts I provide stand for all to see. You have been found high and dry with no substance. Empty.
Actively protesting? Is that what you do? Keep going. Cutting and pasting an news article exposed your lies. I was not in Madang but read what is published on the case and simply reproduced it. The fact is that not all landowners buy into your crap. They want progress. You lot will never bring them any. This country is functioning largely because of mine revenue. Actively protesting won’t bring home the bacon. You have nothing to offer. You still have to put your grand plans across to develop PNG without mining. Thats even better then. Put it up.
hahaha..another load of crap. thanks for the laugh. so you are not in Madang and the only thing you can do is believe in hearsay as reported by a newspaper whose own independence is under serious question? how laughable! grow up!
mining has never EVER developed this country. PNG is falling apart while we host some very large mines in the region. how do you reconcile that???
bara mipla no longlong osem yu!
Again you are not reading. To your question on what has mining done for PNG? This nation, or what little life it seems to have as a developing nation is largely dependent on mining, right now. Until Fed Up came up with a non-mining economy. You still havent answered the question. If mining and petroileum havent, who has keep this struggling nation alive? And may I add, for the next 10 years in the absence of your grands plans? I don’t see any hands.
Also, do you know what is the village boys’ expectation? I am pretty sure that village boys/girls want see the outside world, try many different things, have a exiting life, not live in caves. Because i am a village boy and many many village boys just like me in China..
Are you a village boy before?
jkross and your chinese friend Zshiu..whatever. You two’s fervently argue for this nickle mine to proceed using development & progress agenda. What startles me is you both give very little attention to why this court case came about & alternate options to DSTP.
Firstly, during awareness on the mcc nickle mine & operation, there was divided perception for and against esp the DSTP. What some landowners and PNGians want to see is an investigation into this matter to see if there is no harm to the livelihood of local villagers. I am sure everyone in Madang & PNG for that matter, want the mine to proceed, however, not at the expense of the locals & the environment. You tell me what kind of package mcc has established for the krumbukare villagers who are relocated, honestly, I want to know, whether their welfare is ok, are they on payroll or dole system etc…
jkross so argues that big minings operations are the blood veins of this country, you bloody short sighted white trash, your corporate organisations reaps the benefits and give just enough for our government thru taxes or equity, the mandatory participation by PNG is 22.5% equity, of this less than 2% trickles down to the legitimate landowners, and if PNG borrows to contribute its equity share, then we don’t see the benefits as supposed to from this 22.5% as repayments drown everything.
Agriculture will be our backbone as our goverment so realises and is putting in place emphasis to give Agricluture & livestock more funding. Minning won’t keep generating income into the next 100 plus years, it is only a short fix, which we appreciate as generating a few income while the rest is bomeranged back to Australia or China or to whoever the developer investor is.
I HATE exploitation and expropriation. It leaves a scar in my view, if you wish, environmentally plus a host of other issues. Kross & Zshu, you are part of the structured society deepending on money, in contrast to PNGians who live off the land, PNG does NOT actually, need to be reckless to reach where you are (if you consider your livestyle developed). There are some things very good about the way PNG lives its life compared to yours.
For argument’s sake, lets say there’s a boom in clean energy (which is actually happening now) such as radio waves & electromagnetic runned machines, let’s say cars are operated by batteries, your oil & gas companies would literally die into extinction, lets say other clean energy innovations comes into major play, some of you will run out of jobs & die or wilt away very quick. Only farmers & the agriculture industry will continue to operate the way they are today. Why do giant corporates go to the extremes of lies and deception about cleaner energy? ever wonder?
So, development in your context and as you so fervently imply, is vital that PNG should accept. Hey mate, I know that, why the fuss to make a forced effort. PNG is independent, and we make our own decision, do not use corprate pressure & delusions that you so do, tricking & enticing our short-sighted unqualified politicians to jump on your economic band wagon. You get off this tread, you got no substance, you stay where you are, corporate labourer & earn your living, PNG will guard its land at all costs.
Is there any other alternatives to DSTP? Oh I forgot, the chinese corporate mcc is using the cheapest option to maximise it profit, DSTP is the cheapest option at the cost of local villagers livelihood & our environment. Shame, on you mcc, if you want our precious metal, why aren’t you prepared to spend money, than to get it so cheaply, oh I know, the other option will be a loss to you, mcc, I sit and wonder mcc may already paid bribes, you can’t get it your way easily without a fight. Now you know, WELCOME TO PNG!!!
Nice try, but no try! Trying to get a laugh out of my not being in Madang and your dodging the question. You never knew that the Internet made geography reduntant? How sad.
poor guy, just goes to show how out of touch you really are with the real PNGans – the nation is alive and well in our villages.
but we haven’t seen any evidence whatsover of the piles of statistics that your mining seemingly delivers to the nation. perhaps you can see it in your comfortable moresby. i certainly haven’t seen anything in my village!
you are now worshipping the miners because you and your stupid leaders have allowed us to take this route. but in saying that, it is still not too late to take a turn for the better.
stop living in a fool’s paradise jkross!
jkross and your chinese friend Zshiu..whatever. You two’s fervently argue for this nickle mine to proceed using development & progress agenda. What startles me is you both give very little attention to why this court case came about & alternate options to DSTP.
Firstly, during awareness on the mcc nickle mine & operation, there was divided perception for and against esp the DSTP. What some landowners and PNGians want to see is an investigation into this matter to see if there is no harm to the livelihood of local villagers. I am sure everyone in Madang & PNG for that matter, want the mine to proceed, however, not at the expense of the locals & the environment. You tell me what kind of package mcc has established for the krumbukare villagers who are relocated, honestly, I want to know, whether their welfare is ok, are they on payroll or dole system etc…
jkross so argues that big minings operations are the blood veins of this country, you bloody short sighted white trash, your corporate organisations reaps the benefits and give just enough for our government thru taxes or equity, the mandatory participation by PNG is 22.5% equity, of this less than 2% trickles down to the legitimate landowners, and if PNG borrows to contribute its equity share, then we don’t see the benefits as supposed to from this 22.5% as repayments drown everything.
Agriculture will be our backbone as our goverment so realises and is putting in place emphasis to give Agricluture & livestock more funding. Minning won’t keep generating income into the next 100 plus years, it is only a short fix, which we appreciate as generating a few income while the rest is bomeranged back to Australia or China or to whoever the developer investor is.
I HATE exploitation and expropriation. It leaves a scar in my view, if you wish, environmentally plus a host of other issues. Kross & Zshu, you are part of the structured society deepending on money, in contrast to PNGians who live off the land, PNG does NOT actually, need to be reckless to reach where you are (if you consider your livestyle developed). There are some things very good about the way PNG lives its life compared to yours.
For argument’s sake, lets say there’s a boom in clean energy (which is actually happening now) such as radio waves & electromagnetic runned machines, let’s say cars are operated by batteries, your oil & gas companies would literally die into extinction, lets say other clean energy innovations comes into major play, some of you will run out of jobs & die or wilt away very quick. Only farmers & the agriculture industry will continue to operate the way they are today. Why do giant corporates go to the extremes of lies and deception about cleaner energy? ever wonder?
So, development in your context and as you so fervently imply, is vital that PNG should accept. Hey mate, I know that, why the fuss to make a forced effort. PNG is independent, and we make our own decision, do not use corprate pressure & delusions that you so do, tricking & enticing our short-sighted unqualified politicians to jump on your economic band wagon. You get off this tread, you got no substance, you stay where you are, corporate labourer & earn your living, PNG will guard its land at all costs.
Is there any other alternatives to DSTP? Oh I forgot, the chinese corporate mcc is using the cheapest option to maximise it profit, DSTP is the cheapest option at the cost of local villagers livelihood & our environment. Shame, on you mcc, if you want our precious metal, why aren’t you prepared to spend money, than to get it so cheaply, oh I know, the other option will be a loss to you, mcc, I sit and wonder mcc may already paid bribes, you can’t get it your way easily without a fight. Now you know, WELCOME TO PNG!!!
I am associated with mining and that has been my life. I wont hide the fact. It’s time for you to steer this nation away from mine dependency WHILE mining is maintaining the status quo and I wont complain if it pays dividends. You put your plans forward and take this nation through. But I feel for you guys. You have no plans. Absolutely none. ZERO. DSTP is the safest option there is for this mine. What is your plan on agriculture. No wonder the anti-mining camp dreams up grand agriculture plans ONLY WHEN THERE IS A PROTEST AGAINST mining. I wonder why.
Kross,
Your comment goes to show that you are irrational in drawing conclusions about development and growth in PNG. Your hypothesis that all off PNG runs on mining & petroleum activities is not entirely true, hence a telling lie. PNG has other income sectors off which we generate our income, agriculture & cash crops, fishing, timber etc…even though you may think the income is not substantial. But let me tell you that these sectors are what what we call sustainable, maximised earning as expenses are minimal compare to your mining expenses. You, also miss my point that, more than 75% of mining reap offs goes overseas, only recently PNG LNG Hides landowners have arranged for about 7% as equity benefits for the ExxonMobil gas project in the highlands.
I would like you to research how many percentage the Chinese MCC Ramu Nickle has given to the landowners, I think its ZERO, and the PNG government is said to hold less than 10%.
I also would like you to broaden your tunnel vision and look at many countries in the world that thrive so smoothly without owning one single mining in their countries. Your hypothesis of dependency on mining is so irrationally biased, as you speak from one directional thinking.
Again you miss my point about a progression in a country. It’s about managing & I mean good management that sets targets and visions for the nation to reach. You see, its the developed world that craves for enery so much that they rush out to the developing nations to exploit to satisfy their thirst for energy, hence, they becoming arogant in their dealings like the USA fighting for oil in Irag & Afghan. It’s all the same whereevr, Aussie, UK, etc…The point is ” PNG must attain progression at its own pace, timing & program”.
I am also of the view that if PNG politician become good managers, we do not need that many mines to sustain our budget, only few mines plus the other sectors should be sufficient to run this country. Only then PNG can preserve some minerals and ores for the future general to develop, maybe at a better equity percentage that the current the overseas corporates / countries so deceivingly enjoy.
Jkross, you are full of the cupidity I see in many others of your like, I guess you are not a PNGian. What PNG needs is to throw you out of this country & ban your entry, you show that at any costs you will exploit & expropriate this country of all its valuable resources, non-renewable resources. PNG needs NOT play to your tune, because we want some things to be reserved for our future generation. Environment agenda is one such avenue we can take solace to fight such intoxicating greed in the likes of you.
Unless you tell me the benefits of MCC in terms of equity sharing, I don’t want to see you post shallow crap & as your antics on this thread are cheap shit stirring, total lack of understanding of the way things are in this country. What’s there to hide, Highland Pacific has how many percent, MCC hold the majority, I want to know the landowners will get how many & the Gov how many…
the penny has dropped!!!
jkross is a mining apologist frantically fighting to save his own job. what a pitty. you are the only one of a handful of people whose vision is impaired by the mining cult.
I live in my village and enjoy it. But it is no substitute for a modern PNG for the youth of tomorrow. What is your grand plan for them if mining packed up and went. You haven’t shown us your grand plans. It’s not in the village. The question remains.
there are no grand plans such as your mining cult jkross .
we simply stay in our village, empower our people, get our hands dirty and hope to build a broad based and more sustainable cash economy by harnessing the labour of the majority of our people. but our major stumbling blocks are you and your greedy and short sighted bosses at waigani. seems you are only quoting your village for the convenience of your argument because you portray a distinct lack of understanding of village life.
so tell me, what has decades of mining done to PNG other than throwing up glossy statistics which mean nothing for our people? what is your grand plan to change the status quo so that mining can make a lasting difference? and why should we believe that whatever your grand plans are will actually work? we have seen nothing from mining so cut the crap and move over!
PNG will move forward when we begin to harness the great power that is in the hands of the majority of our rural populace. mining is NOT the answer for us because it has a very narrow economic focus and our people watch hopelessly as capital evades their reach and trades hands between less than 1% of the population. our only saving grace under such circumstances is the government, but what do you do when it is so riddled with corruption? ofcourse whatever the mining money does not get to the hands of ordinary PNGans.
for the sake of people like jkross who don’t have eyes to see, let me give you a glaring example. Kimbe, an agricultural province, has more relatively wealthy individuals than Tabubil, Kiunga and Daru put together, three towns that host a multi billion kina gold and copper mine which has been in operation for some three decades now.
how can anyone miss such an obvious paradox?
You still havent answered my question. Those agricultural industries have yet to support the modern infrastucture like airports and roads and all educational institutions that are largely supported by the mining and petroleum industry. An agrucultural cash economy supporting rural families only goes as far as the local trade store. My question still remans unanswered.
i’ve answered you but you haven’t answered my question. go on, tell us your grand plans about how to get mining to lift PNG out of where it is.
roads, airports, educational institutions..hahaha..give me a break..these are everything you moresby guys enjoy..what about us, the village folks?
what is your solution for us?
You feed off international environmentalists cool aid who enjoy all the infrastructure built for them by heavy industry and mining over the last 200 years. They relax and want to shut down progress in developing nations to save the environment and reduce population. You have no idea why the enviromentalists do all they can to shut down development in 3rd world nations. You/we dont have such infrastructure to sit back and enjoy. Mining is already the big solution holding the infrastructure and institutions together. What have you and you type done, NOthing. Zero. Protest, Weeping and whingeing is your way of life. Its mining and petroleum that holds this nation together. Fact. If you dont want mining, tell us your grand plans. You wont because you dont have any. Youre bankrupt. Leading people back to the caves. That’s your lot. I wont lift mining because this nations is full of minerals and we will develop them. Those lazy ones can weep protest all they like. Em bisnis bilong you.
another mining moron fighting to save his own job and comfortable life at the expense of the majority of our people. thankfully, there are only very few of such greedy idiots like you.
mining builds infrastructure bla bla bla…oh yeah, only in moresby!
Can a people lived in coastal area migrated to Moresby? Can boys/girls in costal area share the basic education delivered by the country? Can young costal people enter the universties or colleges in Moresby? Can people in coastal area use the air port, roads in PNG?
so what’s your point zhushaosi?
If the answers are all yes, that means the people in costal area also benefit from those project, not only Moresby people. If the answers are all “no”, I think, your people should select a new leader or government to protect your own rights
Zhushaoshi,
Can your company MCC build a land tailings system for the Ramu Nickle mine. Australia’s Tailings Handbook discourages dumping into river or water or seas, please have read by clicking on this link (its converted to your chinese tokples so read carefully):
http://www.ret.gov.au/resources/resources_programs/lpsdp/tailings/Pages/default.aspx
Why is your company taking cheap methods to dump in our seas. Other dumpings in the sea like Indonesia are proof of the toxic dangers. The assurance by MCC that DSTP is NOT harmful, is mouthful of lies.
PNG adopts most of its standard practices from Australia, why is River or Sea tailings system discouraged in Ozzie & encouraged in PNG, what load of crap!!!
I am not a MCC employee, I am only a chinese, so i do not have the authorization to make any dicision of the project.
I used to work for a Westing hause Subsidiary in Shenzhen China, I have engineering experience and a little management experience.
As my understanding, the DSTP system should be the best solution for the project not only for the cost ,but for the people who lives in the land(not sea).
I like company’s like MCC, becasue this company made lot of great thing in China as i know,
1, Designed and builded almost all the minging project in
China.
2,Designed and builded almost all the steel manufacturing facilities in china.
3,Build many many housing and flat for poor and medium paid people.
that’s in china zhushaosisi,
this is PNG. do you know the difference between the two countries???
Zhushaoshi..
他媽的你的祖先回百代
These two chinese language (馬當更夫 and 他媽的你的祖先回百代) written here are translated in english as;
馬當更夫
Madang watchman
Zhushaoshi..
他媽的你的祖先回百代
Fuck your ancestors back to the EMI,